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Post by norsu on Dec 24, 2008 17:59:40 GMT
I certainly don't consider myself better than any non-human creature. Non-Human creatures have been shaped around humans for a long time, no wonder that you get the occasional grumpy dog or spooky horse. How many murderers do you know that are animals? (Non-Human Creatures that do it for food don't count guys, I mean like, for the money and pride and fun. Stuff that strange humans can't seem to get enough of in strange ways.)
Notice that I didn't refer to animals as animals. Humans, us, are animals, so we would be refering to ourselves as well.
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Post by mate on Dec 25, 2008 2:03:27 GMT
Dingoes, wolves, dogs, cats I can keep naming the animals that kill for the fun of it. There are a lot of animals that kill for the fun of it. Not just humans.
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Post by mate on Dec 25, 2008 2:07:24 GMT
I think your wrong there with the "going off" track (unless I am reading you wrong) Nature has a set track. i guess its debatable but as an atheist i can't agree and its a sad story about the toddler, i wont pretend not to see the downside but to be fair that is a one-off case. and there are many cases of malnutrition even in people who do eat meat so i see the parallel you're drawing but it still wouldn't persuade me to think vegetarianism is wrong theres a difference between being carnivourous and omnivourous, and it seems a very self-indulgant point to make that vegetarianism is wrong just because you dont like non-meat foods, although we hear it so often these days! i doubt any vegetarian is properly satisfied with meatless diet, especially at this time of year. of course my mouth waters when i smell roast turkey or whatever but morality isnt about the greed of the individual. can you imagine a cow saying "i dont really like being industrially raised and slaughtered but if i taste good then that's ok"
Oh god I don't think a vegetarian diet is wrong, I think its wrong when people say that it is the better way to go, one really no one has any idea what is best for man kind, well in-fact or living creatures. |
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Post by norsu on Dec 25, 2008 18:33:51 GMT
Whoa whoa whoa whoa! Who said nature has a set track? Nature doesn't have a set track! Do you think the Earth has a brain? Probably not! If nature had a set track, we would have rain on Sunday, sunshine on Monday, snow on Tuesday, or what ever, without the weathermen having to doubt their predictions!
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Post by mate on Dec 25, 2008 22:25:17 GMT
Not that specific track, why do you think it rains when the ground needs water? Why do you think lightning strikes dry grass? Why do you think it goes Ice Age - Normal - Very Hot - Ice Age...
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Post by norsu on Dec 26, 2008 16:07:20 GMT
It doesn't rain when the ground needs water, it rains when it sees fit! Haven't you ever heard of a drought? People go for months with out water! Think about deserts! No rainfall, the ground could need some water!
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Post by Reef. on Dec 26, 2008 23:35:55 GMT
i guess its debatable but as an atheist i can't agree and its a sad story about the toddler, i wont pretend not to see the downside but to be fair that is a one-off case. and there are many cases of malnutrition even in people who do eat meat so i see the parallel you're drawing but it still wouldn't persuade me to think vegetarianism is wrong theres a difference between being carnivourous and omnivourous, and it seems a very self-indulgant point to make that vegetarianism is wrong just because you dont like non-meat foods, although we hear it so often these days! i doubt any vegetarian is properly satisfied with meatless diet, especially at this time of year. of course my mouth waters when i smell roast turkey or whatever but morality isnt about the greed of the individual. can you imagine a cow saying "i dont really like being industrially raised and slaughtered but if i taste good then that's ok"
Oh god I don't think a vegetarian diet is wrong, I think its wrong when people say that it is the better way to go, one really no one has any idea what is best for man kind, well in-fact or living creatures.how many quote boxes can we get in one post?!? lol ok, so maybe you dont think its wrong, only "less-right" than an omnivorous diet. but i guess youre right... no one knows. but it seems a pretty probable guess that battery chickens (for example) would prefer to be free range or not exist at all than lead the lives they do |
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Post by norsu on Dec 26, 2008 23:57:42 GMT
Oh god I don't think a vegetarian diet is wrong, I think its wrong when people say that it is the better way to go, one really no one has any idea what is best for man kind, well in-fact or living creatures.how many quote boxes can we get in one post?!? lol ok, so maybe you dont think its wrong, only "less-right" than an omnivorous diet. but i guess youre right... no one knows. but it seems a pretty probable guess that battery chickens (for example) would prefer to be free range or not exist at all than lead the lives they do Sorry, just had to do this lol! OMG I just had a good idea. You'll find out what it is soon enough... lol. Face it Reef, humans have been ominvorous for who knows how long. It is our nature to be meat and plant eaters, we help to balance the world out. |
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Post by Reef. on Dec 27, 2008 0:25:08 GMT
aww it only lets you put in 2! how gay, that could have been fun! lol
lol i'd hardly call humanity balencing. apparently animals raised for food contribute more harmful gases to the planet than all transportation of the world combined. there'll soon be 7 billion of us, if we were in balence with nature we'd soon be reaching the levelling-off point of our population curve, but i cant see how that can happen if humanity puts the luxury of itself before the survival of anything else
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Post by mate on Dec 27, 2008 2:19:22 GMT
It doesn't rain when the ground needs water, it rains when it sees fit! Haven't you ever heard of a drought? People go for months with out water! Think about deserts! No rainfall, the ground could need some water!
Yes I know about droughts, Australia has been in one for years, in fact we have the longest drought on record no, but every-time when the stock start dieing it rains, coincidence? The rain doesn't end out drought though it just brings the green back... The reason why deserts (some anyway) don't get rain is because the wild life would DIE, the have adapted so much to the dryness that the wetness would kill them off!
Life is life, yes the poor chickens and cattle have a bad life, but that is the way life, some people have bad lives some have good, you just gotta pray that you don't get the bad life.
And as I said, if doctors stopped bringing people back to life, and stopped allowing new ways for elderly people to live longer, then we wouldn't have such a population problem... |
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Post by Reef. on Dec 27, 2008 10:59:50 GMT
Life is life, yes the poor chickens and cattle have a bad life, but that is the way life, some people have bad lives some have good, you just gotta pray that you don't get the bad life.
praying you dont get a bad one implies it can be changed... so if you agree that many lives dont have to be as bad as they are, why dont you want to "answer prayers" so to speak? why is " the way of life" so rock-solid in its nature? the population problem is as much about reducing potential life as reducing existing life i probably would call the drought/rain thing coicidence, although i'm obivously not from where you are. but do you think last summers english floods came along just at the right planned time when too many crops were doing well, too much livestock was surviving and not enough kids were learning to swim? about the adaptation thing.... animals have adapted because it never rains, it doesnt never rain because the animals have adapted |
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Post by mate on Dec 28, 2008 1:48:33 GMT
I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the English flood, but floods are natures way of reducing population (not just humans). I have just read back, I have kind of vied this topic of track, sorry i always seem to be doing that...
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Post by norsu on Dec 28, 2008 1:57:24 GMT
aww it only lets you put in 2! how gay, that could have been fun! lol Couldn't have said it better myself! That was my idea, it was going to be a game called: Quote that Post. It would be silly. Wow, this argument is getting so deep I've found myself getting lost in it. I simply don't understand it anymore! |
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Post by mate on Dec 28, 2008 12:33:24 GMT
Yeah lets stop this thread, I have gotten confused. Lets just agree that there are different needs for different people. Whether they be carnivore, omnivore or Vegetarian... 
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Post by Reef. on Dec 28, 2008 20:55:49 GMT
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