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Post by mate on Oct 27, 2008 1:09:02 GMT
She wasn't protesting it, read back, she was just talking about vegetarianism, it was really me that through this thread off topic, sorry, I didn't mean to do that. Oh and people eat dogs, Asians it dogs...
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Post by Reef. on Oct 27, 2008 21:08:09 GMT
No... I'd eat a cow or a pig... Just think about it, it is in human culture all around the world to eat meat, so why are you protesting it? the fact that eating meat is generally accepted as human culture shows how.... shortsighted (for lack of a better word) it is to ask a vegetarian to "think about it" because you dont convert if you havent thought about it. and since when was "everyone else is doing it" a good enough excuse? lol humans have eaten meat all through history but industrially raising animals is a product of the obsession with money at the expense of any ethical consideration. and different cultures eat different meants, like mate was saying, they eat dogs in parts of asia and i think it's hindus who consider cows as sacred and dont eat them. But whats the difference to you between eating a dog and a cow? from a purely ethical point of view, obviously cows are bred for meat so they would probably taste better but does a cow feel any less pain or fear than a dog? have they insulted humans so terribly that their entire species must be punished? and it wasnt long ago, such prejudices as slavery and female inferiority were accepted by society, but protest is how things change. you can't just go along with something you know is wrong because people have thought it's been ok in the past |
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Post by norsu on Oct 28, 2008 22:29:46 GMT
Gawsh, I didn't know veggies were so... explainable!
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Post by Reef. on Oct 28, 2008 22:33:33 GMT
lol what do you mean?
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Post by mate on Oct 30, 2008 0:08:45 GMT
.........But whats the difference to you between eating a dog and a cow? from a purely ethical point of view, obviously cows are bred for meat so they would probably taste better but does a cow feel any less pain or fear than a dog? have they insulted humans so terribly that their entire species must be punished? The difference between a dog and cow. Cows are prey, dogs are predators, dogs help humans cows don't they are just food. Dogs pull sleds, herd sheep, protect goats, cow once again are just food... They may pull carriages at some point, but only a few countries use them for that because they can be so stubborn. If cows weren't meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be prey they would be predator, therefore sense before all humanity industry crap they were put here to be eaten... |
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Post by norsu on Nov 1, 2008 21:34:50 GMT
That is very true mate! That is like, summing up everything I was trying to say before. Understand it now Reef?
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Post by Reef. on Nov 2, 2008 17:06:23 GMT
norsu, understanding was never the problem. i understand, i just disagree.
a cow does not care if it is "meant" to be eaten or not, humans are "meant" to be eaten (probably by dogs, in history) but if a dog kills a child do we say "nevermind"? of course not, the point isnt about where our evolutionary tactics have fallen, its about the needless subjective torment of the individual. to reward a species like the dog for allowing us to exploit them is still a show of human selfishness. if you're using the predator thing to excuse it (even though predators eat lower predators so dogs eating meat if no reason to exclude any other animal from eating dogs), perhaps a horse is a more fitting comparison.
and even if we accept that cows were are here to be eaten, they are not here to be factory farmed and nothing gives humanity the right to inflict that kind of pointless suffering on another creature. if concentration camps were a bad thing, then so are factory farms. its not natural, its harmful to the environment, and its only reason for existance is human greed
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Post by Lawrence on Nov 2, 2008 18:08:24 GMT
maybe i'm just not a big enough fan of humanity to embrace our "right to luxury"  eating meat is a natural thing within the animal kingdom but factory farming isnt, which is where my problem lies. iron is easier to absorb from meat products but you can get it from things like chick peas and spinach too, as well as taking suppliments. it might be an extra hassle but humans dont need meat, making it a luxury. Same with fur, except for inuits, but i deffinately get your point about the indoor heating! ;D humans are different from lions in a number of reasons, the most obvious being that we are omnivours and they are carnivours. although. Secondly, we should know better. It doesnt seem (although who can be sure?) that lions feel empathy towards their prey but we do. or maybe thats not all of us! lol i was going to say "we know its wrong" but.... yea. The "its natural" argument i've always found funny, because when it comes to eating meat it fully stands up as great but when it comes to being eaten by our natural predators, suddenly most people are desperate to rethink lol if we hadn't eaten meat when humans were evolving we would never have been living as we are now - the combined meat and veg diet gave our brains the extra bbit to survive asnfd thrive. so withgout the meat we probably wouldn't be riding horses  |
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Post by Lawrence on Nov 2, 2008 18:09:45 GMT
No... I'd eat a cow or a pig... Just think about it, it is in human culture all around the world to eat meat, so why are you protesting it? the fact that eating meat is generally accepted as human culture shows how.... shortsighted (for lack of a better word) it is to ask a vegetarian to "think about it" because you dont convert if you havent thought about it. and since when was "everyone else is doing it" a good enough excuse? lol humans have eaten meat all through history but industrially raising animals is a product of the obsession with money at the expense of any ethical consideration. and different cultures eat different meants, like mate was saying, they eat dogs in parts of asia and i think it's hindus who consider cows as sacred and dont eat them. But whats the difference to you between eating a dog and a cow? from a purely ethical point of view, obviously cows are bred for meat so they would probably taste better but does a cow feel any less pain or fear than a dog? have they insulted humans so terribly that their entire species must be punished? and it wasnt long ago, such prejudices as slavery and female inferiority were accepted by society, but protest is how things change. you can't just go along with something you know is wrong because people have thought it's been ok in the past withoiut farming it in industry etc, there would be no meat left, demand is higher than nature can naturally provide, so in order to satisfy human need for meat we have to mass produce it. |
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Post by Lawrence on Nov 2, 2008 18:10:15 GMT
No... I'd eat a cow or a pig... Just think about it, it is in human culture all around the world to eat meat, so why are you protesting it? the fact that eating meat is generally accepted as human culture shows how.... shortsighted (for lack of a better word) it is to ask a vegetarian to "think about it" because you dont convert if you havent thought about it. and since when was "everyone else is doing it" a good enough excuse? lol humans have eaten meat all through history but industrially raising animals is a product of the obsession with money at the expense of any ethical consideration. and different cultures eat different meants, like mate was saying, they eat dogs in parts of asia and i think it's hindus who consider cows as sacred and dont eat them. But whats the difference to you between eating a dog and a cow? from a purely ethical point of view, obviously cows are bred for meat so they would probably taste better but does a cow feel any less pain or fear than a dog? have they insulted humans so terribly that their entire species must be punished? and it wasnt long ago, such prejudices as slavery and female inferiority were accepted by society, but protest is how things change. you can't just go along with something you know is wrong because people have thought it's been ok in the past withoiut farming it in industry etc, there would be no meat left, demand is higher than nature can naturally provide, so in order to satisfy human need for meat we have to mass produce it. |
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Post by Lawrence on Nov 2, 2008 18:11:06 GMT
i sympathise with people who were made to be vege;'s by their parents, they no longer have achoice cos if they wrere to eat meat now they wouold be sick.i dont quite understand people who choose it consciusly later in life though. but thats their choice.
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Post by Reef. on Nov 2, 2008 18:32:13 GMT
without farming it in industry etc, there would be no meat left, demand is higher than nature can naturally provide, so in order to satisfy human need for meat we have to mass produce it. which is exactly the reason demand needs to be reduced and an exanding human population can only result in our planet descending into chaos but i think i agree with you about kids forced to be veggie by their parents, it must be so easy to resent them for it. and the jelousy of other kids must be bad, especially because kids can be so cruel about that sort of thing. even though thats from a purely subjective point of view, which isnt really what vegetarianism is about |
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Post by Stargo! on Nov 2, 2008 18:34:25 GMT
[quote author=lawrence board=therest thread=8 post=2223
withoiut farming it in industry etc, there would be no meat left, demand is higher than nature can naturally provide, so in order to satisfy human need for meat we have to mass produce it.[/quote]
We don't need meat right now. We aren't evolving, we are simply siting on our backsides, getting fatter and fatter. Also, I want to ask you, do you care for non-humans? Do you care for cows?
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Post by Reef. on Nov 2, 2008 19:08:22 GMT
i think thats my problem, i care very little for humans! dont know why... i'm nice to individuals, enjoy most human company and dont like to see people suffering or anything like that, i just prefer non-human animals far more. dont know why
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Post by Lawrence on Nov 2, 2008 19:19:31 GMT
of course we are still evolving lol - 10000 years ago they would have sed the same (if they had had the mental capacity to think like this) - in 10000 years time we will be more evolved than now, and the people then will be saying similar things i suspect.
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